Why is Skype forcing a software upgrade on all of us?

Today when I opened up my laptop and switched to Skype, I found that I had been logged out:














The text in that image says: "We've signed you out because you're using an outdated version of Skype. Download the latest version now."

Now, to be clear, I wasn't using an ancient version of Skype. My laptop had version from sometime in, say, March 2013 - so yes, it was over a year old, but the thing with Skype is that it has had a history of always "just working", which perhaps we as users have gotten used to.

Community outrage

In a Skype public chat in which I participate a number of other users said they'd been logged out - and looking in the Windows Skype community and Mac Skype community web forums I see MANY messages from people who are experiencing problems over the past week. The frustration is even visible in the Linux Skype community (a community Skype has often ignored), where a staff moderator posted last Friday, August 1, this message:

From today, users with Skype for Linux version 4.2 and older will not be able to sign in to Skype. The error messages user will see during sign in may include “Can’t Connect to Skype” or ”Can’t login on Skype”. To continue using Skype, please update to the latest version.

The replies mostly indicate that the "new" version of Skype won't work on various configurations of Linux. The 99th response to the thread perhaps sums up the anger best:

In all your web content you people claim that forcing us to drop 4.2 and move to 4.3 improves our lives and makes our Skype experience better. If you have bothered to read all the responses in this topic, by now I hope you understand: YOU ARE NOT MAKING SKYPE BETTER FOR US. 4.3 breaks audio compatibility. Pulseaudio does not work with my USB external audio equipment, and running it causes my other audio-based apps to stop working. If you want to make Skype better for us, put ALSA support back in. Or release the source code so we can do it ourselves. Or stop blocking 4.2 so we can continue using the version that DOES make our lives easier. What you have done to Skype is an abomination.

You can see similar sentiment in the lengthy thread in the Mac community. Here's the 78th message in the thread:

Hello. Okay, straight to the point. THIS is not a solution. I've tried many times diferent ''approaches'' to this problem. From trying to use an old version 2.8 to just plainly updating in the skype app as asked (which I downloaded and when I tried to sign in it logs me out cuz its asks AGAIN for the update); I even tried unistall skype and download it again, but everything fails. And no, I won't update to Mavricks; I'm fine with the current version I have; thanks. So, plz, I do like skype, its awesome for work (which I use EVERYDAY) and keep in contact, but this is waaaaaaay out. PLEASE GIVE A SOLUTION. THANK YOU. :happy:

A big issue in reading the threads seems to be that many people still need to use older versions of their base operating system - and the latest versions of Skype will not work with those operating systems. Here's an example:

I'm ready to drop Skype. I do not allow even APPLE to tell me how to configure my computer, much less MICROSOFT (who owns skype since 2011). There is no way I'm upgrading to Mavericks. Absolutely no need, and I still use applications that require Rosetta, which is not available in anything past 10.6.8.

Bye bye Skype. I'll use it on my iPhone, but no more on my desktop, and if it gets weird on my iPhone Skype will simply lose a customer. Period.

There are MANY more examples... and many more in the Windows community as well. All in all it seems that this "forced upgrade" is not going down well with many people.

Skype's statements

As far as I can see, Skype is pointing people to this support article about upgradingthat says:

We want everyone to experience the best Skype has to offer – from enhanced quality to better reliability to improved security – and the newest version of Skype is the way to do that. So everyone can benefit from the latest improvements, from time to time we retire older versions of Skype across all platforms, including mobile devices. It’s easy to update Skype; once you do, you’ll have access to the latest features our team has worked hard to deliver.

When we retire older versions of Skype, if you are still on an older version, you would be signed out of Skype automatically and won’t be able to sign in again until you upgrade to a new version. Simply follow the steps below to download, install, and sign in to the latest version, and you’ll be back in Skype in no time.

Skype also provided a bit of a preview of this action in a July 16, 2014, blog post titled "Update Skype now to improve your experience" where they trumpted all the benefits of upgrading and included one little line about the impending retirement:

So everyone can benefit from the latest improvements, we’ll retire older versions of Skype across all platforms, including mobile devices, in the near future.

where it turns out that "in the near future" meant about two weeks later at the end of July 2014.

But why, Skype?

The lingering question is... why now?

I mean, I do understand that one of the strengths of Skype historically has been that it "just worked" and that pretty much anyversion of Skype would still let you connect. This has allowed Skype to become the amazingly ubiquitous communication tool that it has become.

The downside of this for Microsoft/Skype is that they can't get people to use all their new services - or see their new ads - if there are so many older versions.

Similarly, they can't move to new technical architectures that may provide better service when they have to also support a long history of past releases. (For example, their move awayfrom the peer-to-peer architecture that was their original highlight to more of a centralized "cloud" architecture to provide better support for mobile clients.)

I get all that.

Bye bye Skype - I'll use you on my iPhone but no longer on desktop. And if you get weird on my iPhone you'll simply lose a customer. Period

I can understand why Microsoft would want - even need- everyone to use newer versions of Skype.

But why now? Why the end-of-July 2014 point? Was that just an arbitrary date? Is there something else driving it?

And what changesare being made in these newer versions? Is it, as one friend said, because Microsoft wants to move away from P2P chat? Or make some other technical changes?

What are they doing that caused them to decide NOW was the time to move?

The somewhat crazy thing with the timing is that it is not like Skype is the only choice for people now. There are a ton of competing communication channels. I've personally been using Apple's Facetime and Google+ Hangouts a good bit more these days for communication. As I wrote about recently, Facebook is clearly looking to make their Messenger be a mobile tool for voice and chat communication. And there are many other mobile apps that are trying to be "the next Skype". Plus... there is the whole world of WebRTCand the zillion new apps and sites that are providing new ways to communicate.

And maybe THAT is the driver. Perhaps Microsoft realizes that to compete with all these new services and to be able to evolve Skype they NEEDto force users to come up to the latest versions. Perhaps they are hoping that any disruption in users behavior will be only temporary and that after that migration they can then move ahead faster.

I don't know. And Skype doesn't seem to be saying beyond their vague platitudes about how upgrading will benefit everyone.

Will users move to alternatives?

The question is, of course, will users actually move to alternatives?

Judging by the outrage in many of those community forums it appears that Microsoft may have underestimated the technical problems that users would face with these upgrades. I see a lot of people saying they can'tupgrade to Skype due to their operating system version or other issues.

Skype is effectively dead to them.

So in this case they will have to find an alternative because they simply can'tuse Skype.

But there is no easy way to know what percentage of people are affected by these upgrade issues. It could be quite small. It could be that the vast majority of users haveautomatically updated with no problem.

I took a look at Hudson Barton's Skype user statistics but unfortunately his system stopped collecting statistics on July 31st . He's restarted it now... but the data has been lost for this past week that might have shown us what, if any, impact there was. He is showing 77 million Skype users online right as I write this, which is consistent with recent numbers.

It's also not clear where Microsoft/Skype is in rolling out this forced upgrade to their users. From the user community posts it seems many people started experiencing this problem back on July 30th or 31st. I just received the notification this morning, August 6th. I know from others online that they are stillusing older versions and have not yet received the forced upgrade notice.

We've been here before, too. Back in December 2010 there was a Skype outage that disconnected almost everyone for several days. Many of us thought this might provide a push to people to try another service... and it didn't. Once the outage was over people generally went back to using Skype. It was easy - and the directoryis there, i.e. so many people you know use Skype that it makes it super easy to connect with people that way.

Times are different in 2014, though. There are more and better choices than there were four years ago. Offerings from Apple, Google and Facebook all are quite compelling - andbring with them a directory of users. Perhaps not as many as on Skype, but still quite solid.

What will you do?

Switch to using more of another service such as iMessage, Google+ Hangouts or Facebook? Try out a startup such as Tox? Use one of the many mobile apps?

Or will you just stick with Skype? (Assuming, of course, that you can upgrade.)

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8 Aug 2014, 2:40 p.m.

All my telephone numbers and Skype names and contacts, only stored on Skype, are locked up away from me. I have an emergency call to make and I can't. I will never trust Skype again!


8 Aug 2014, 2:46 p.m.

Regarding the Mac community I am running a set of dual core 2G MacBooks with a 32 bit architecture. SKYPE happily bounces me to Apple who says we must upgrade to MacOS Mavricks also requires a CPU upgrade to a 64 bit architecture. I have to buy a new computer to run Skype? I am not in to mood to replace my computers. What a stunt!


8 Aug 2014, 7:26 p.m.

"Offerings from Apple, Google and Facebook all are quite compelling"

Yeah, like in an Orwellian compelling sense. That someone in your position would even make such an idiotic statement is disheartening at best. There are no true alternatives and never will be.

Devoutly yours,
Winston Smith


9 Aug 2014, 6:58 p.m.

Thank you Skype for no comment on the problems your users are experiencing with the forced upgrade! My daughter has just had the message on her Skype page when wanting to Skype me. Who knows if she will be able to use Skype again.


12 Aug 2014, 3:36 p.m.

FUkC Scipe, YOU!!!!


17 Aug 2014, 2:40 p.m.

Microsoft bought Skype because it was the biggest application use by its competitors. There are 50 million Galaxy users out there. How many Microsoft tables are there? The new upgrade does not work on Android and Linux; Microsoft's future competition. This is what monopolies do to control competition and it's beyond time that the Government break Microsoft up into tiny pieces before it destroys the the whole Internet and computing. Microsoft has crushed innovation now for 20 years. Enough, is enough! I hope companies like Samsung and others sue Microsoft out of business over this! I'm surprised that European Governments haven't nailed Microsoft over this!


18 Aug 2014, 4:04 p.m.

I would recommend move to Jitsi. The version for Linux as well as for Mac OS and Windows available on their web site.


19 Aug 2014, 5:23 a.m.

xp 64 here...i'm wondering if that is why i'm having same problem, just forced an update---i have been putting off in case soemthing like this happened.....

further thoughts, with the discontinuation of XP suspicous timing....but also as everybody should know by now...MS bought it to bring it in line with prism/ NSA access.......is it really policy to allow them to eavesdrop on you now or you banned from communicating? only life i have now is online and been that way for many years....TI/ gangstalking vic


13 Sep 2014, 6:02 p.m.

The discontinuation of XP isn't for NSA, but for Microsoft to be able to sell their computer line. The forced update/no backward compatibility is for the NSA, to keep the government off Microsoft's antitrust tail, they are helping them spy on us.


19 Aug 2014, 4:13 p.m.

Not impressed at all with this change. I don't want to upgrade the IOS on my iPad after the last upgrade left me disgruntled and it seems that Skype want to force me to do this, so I'll just find an alternative but it's pretty cheap of them to think that they can do this with NO WARNING to users, thats not treating your customers right! A bit of warning and explaining seems in order don't you think. It seems that the customer service team need to understand what the word SERVICE means.


20 Aug 2014, 10:19 a.m.

"In May, Skype teased a real-time translation feature that will be consumer ready sometime this year. At the time, Microsoft said it is planning to harvest data from real Skype conversations to achieve higher levels of accuracy, a system that could possibly require a reworking of Skype's backend."

Yet nobody seems concerned about microsofts stated intent to eavesdrop. This is likely the entire purpose of the forced upgrade.


26 Aug 2014, 1:59 p.m.

Bye-bye Skype. You no longer support Symbian, so I can't use you on my Nokia N8. Audio support in Linux doesn't exist. I'm neither going to change my phone nor my OS just so that I may use Skype. Instead, my Skype account is now wiped clean, username changed to random gibberish and an unknown password set. Again, bye-bye Skype.


1 Sep 2014, 7:06 a.m.

they think they will force us migrate to their bullshit operating sytemt.. well FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!


2 Sep 2014, 3:11 p.m.

---------------------------HOW TO USE OLD SKYPE VERSION!!!!-------------------------------

1.Install Newest Skype Version,and activate automatic login.

2.Delete Newest Skype Version

3.Download old Skype version (It works with 5.9) http://www.oldversion.com/windows/download/skype-5-9-0-123
-or use your own.

4.Install the Version,you will logged in automatic :)

5. Enjoy :)


3 Sep 2014, 11:53 p.m.

um, not entirely sure what u mean....and it didn't work way i just tried, for abt 50th time! when u say delete--- i presume u meant delete the director in program files rather than uninstall, so you leave the reg file intact? did that, installed version from your link ad it fell over part way through citing more up to date version already installed...


18 Sep 2014, 9:06 a.m.

For those who are negatively affected by Microsoft removing support for ALSA without Pulse Audio, here is a solution I cobbled together from some old articles:

Copy and paste the following into your terminal:

sudo apt-get -y remove paman
sudo apt-get -y install alsa-utils alsa-oss alsaplayer-alsa gnome-alsamixer gstreamer0.10-alsa xmms2-plugin-alsa libasound2-plugins sysv-rc-conf pulseaudio padevchooser'
sudo update-rc.d pulseaudio stop 50 2 3 4 5 .

When Pulse Audio was the default I always quickly had issues running things like DOSBox so I used that as a test. I was able to use that software while in a Skype call and not have a sound issue in either program. This indicates that Pulse Audio only does anything when called upon to do so and coexists properly with the alternative mixer used in ALSA which seems to be the default.


18 Oct 2014, 9:23 a.m.

Skype logged me off and it forced me to upgrade IOS on my iPhone. It said unless I had IOS 7 or newer, it wouldn't even let me install the newest version of skype. It took one hour of my precious time in order to do IOS upgrade and skype upgrade to make a phone call. Very nice way to treat a royal customer for last 5 years!!! I was really surprised that the great company like Skype would do this to a customer until I found out the company was "acquired" by MICROSOFT. That really figures. Isn't it funny that even Apple wouldn't force their customers to upgrade IOS on their iPhones but retarded Microsoft would through 3rd party program. Die Microsoft die, may Apple kill you soon. Go away with your retarded windows, you dinosaur! Surface is a failure, windows phone is a joke just go away and die!!!


27 Oct 2014, 5:33 p.m.

The iOS upgrade is APPLE forcing you ! I have iOS v7.x and the AppStore is not working anymore, forcing me to upgrade... Apple is same as Microsoft. We go back to other tools that are not forcing us to do what they want, but let us do what WE WANT.


27 Dec 2014, 1:28 p.m.

Well It's a case of 'GOOD BYE SKYPE'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a Mac running Lion and a PC running XP, both do everything I require (except skype now!), I can use Face time on the Mac to communicate with family in Australia so that's not a problem, but for video comm's in the UK I guess we're back to audio only on the phone till we can find an alternative to skype that works for all parties.
What we liked about skype was it didn't matter if I was on a Mac or a PC and the other party was using the same or something different, we could still communicate, seems Skype or should I say Microsoft don't want us to be able to do that, just like most conglomerates they are just interested in the money not the well being of the user. Just thunk of all the elderly or infirm out there that are now unable to speak to and see their loved ones from around the world, and all because of greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


5 Aug 2015, 5:50 a.m.

Skype is forcing a update to see if they can force Bling search engine to those who are not looking at the steps to install. bling pays them for new users it seems and even if you say or click no they change your search engine. its easy to get rid of if your PC savoy. but its plain rude of them Even if the service is Free.....